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Lineup notes: Carcillo with top line, Miller a potential scratch

After last night’s debacle in Calgary, Alain Vigneault has decided to switch up his lines. Per Steve Zipay, the new lines are:

Dan Carcillo-Derek Stepan-Rick Nash
Carl Hagelin-Brad Richards-Martin St. Louis
Benoit Pouliot-Derick Brassard-Mats Zuccarello
Brian Boyle-Dominic Moore-Derek Dorsett

If you are perplexed about Carcillo on the top line, you should know that you are not alone. J.T. Miller was skating with the extra forwards.

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26 Responses to “Lineup notes: Carcillo with top line, Miller a potential scratch”

  1. Chris F says:

    This better be a practice experiment.

    Miller played well last night and Carcillo has no business playing top 6 minutes.

  2. AD says:

    When it comes to prospects, there is no “in between” for AV.

    Either you’re an NHL player, or you are not; he has no patience for “developing” and “investing” in these types of prospects. After all, he is an NHL coach; he can’t be bothered with non-NHL players in his mind.

    And, with Sather trading away draft picks for aging stars, we are “back to the future” with a team slowly pushing out prospects for a legit Stanley Cup opportunity.

    As I stated from the point of changing coaches and not going with a rebuild program, the Rangers would be a team with lots of personnel moves and turnover, but also one which goes sideways. This is the Sather strategy at its finest.

    • Seahorse says:

      I don’t agree with this. You have a goaltender in his prime, great defense and depth. Would you rather blow it up and have elite talent like Edmonton who has no goaltending or defense whatsoever and be a perennial bottom dweller.

      This team is win now because the prospects we acquired in the mid-2000s have come to fruition.

      This may sound harsh and if i’m not civil i apologize but this team is on fire heading into the playoffs and you want to blow it up because they traded a first round draft pick for a guy that has scored more points then anyone over the last 3 years

      • Walt says:

        While I don’t agree with AD totally, I must admit I agree that we are going nowhere with the likes of MSL, and we gave away the future for a has been. The man was wonderful with Tampa, and oh by the way, a guy named Stamkos. He doesn’t have Steve, and now he is showing his true colors. Sorry my friend, the man is washed up.

        Seahorse, on a serious note, not trying to be a smart ass, but do you really believe the current Ranger team is elite???? Just wondering!!

        • Bort says:

          Playing with Stamkos definitely was a big part of MSL’S success, and he’s is definitely an aging star, but he went from phenomenal production to not scoring AT ALL.
          There has to be more to it than Stamkos completely propping him up for several seasons. Give him time to get used to the team and build some chemistry. I think if we keep with the current roster for a couple of seasons (something that losing Richards somewhat sabotages) we can be an elite team. The ingredients are basically there.

        • Spozo says:

          But that doesn’t account for the 29 goals and 61 points he put up this year in Tampa while Stamkos was sidelined.

          • Rangers Fan in Boston says:

            Don’t bring logic to this conversation. It won’t go anywhere.

            • Walt says:

              So where is the elite scorer we were to get?????

              Not so elite after all, that’s without logic, just scoreboard watching!!

      • AD says:

        Now we are a team on fire. Two weeks ago, post olympics, fans were screaming about how bad of a team we are. The fact is we are somewhere just above average — and that won’t get us far in the playoffs. The acquisition of MSL will be a temporary “high” for the fans, just like it was with Richards who, despite a relatively good season, is borderline 2nd/3rd line forward at this point in his career.

        Rebuilding doesn’t mean we have to be the worst team in the league, like Edmonton. It does mean we acquire draft picks, rather than trade them away; it does mean we exercise patience with our rookies when called up, rather than little patience; and it does mean having a long term strategy rather than some idotic “win-now” mentality.

        Rangers fans need to be realistic about the state of the team today: we are no where close to contending for the cup. Sorry, wish it were not the case. The longer it takes to rebuild, the further away we are from the cup.

        Think about it: at one point, we had Dubinsky, Anisimov, Korpokoski, Stepan and McDonagh on clear paths to make an impact on this team. Who do we have now? Miller. and then a handful of “maybes”

        I hope we have a successful playoff run and I root for our team as much as ever. But I am a realist when it comes to sather’s leadership and the team he has constructed.

      • mattimar says:

        I would not have rebuilt either. You have Lundquist and MCD and Stepan etc. Sather needed to blend the stars with the prospects, and get a little bit more size but his stars are not all playing like stars and that hurts. He did turn the opportunity to get some picks for Callahan into giving away picks and it is not just 1 first round pick as you state. It could be 2 first round picks and at minimum it is a 2nd and a 1st. So far we have a few assists to show for it. I am not a Sather hater but if Dolan knew anything about sports he would know that 14 years is too long without at least going to the finals. Not with the resources that the Rangers have…

      • Frank Cerbone says:

        Seahorse says:

        Excuse me- RANGERS GIVE UP TWO #1 DRAFT COICE 2014-2015 IF THEY MAKE EASTERN CONFERENCE FINALS.

        EVEN IF ST LOUIS SCORES ZERO GOALS!!!!!

      • IKE says:

        Sorry but I disagree Martin set us up well to the point that Tampa was backed into a corner when he came out and said he would only take a trade to us, when that happened WHY would we offer so much I don’t get so Sather blinked first that’s why we lost those draft picks we probably could have held out for a straight up deal but the OLD sather came out he just couldn’t wait to get his hands on the candy!!

        • Walt says:

          Don”t bring logic to this web page!!

          Sorry, I thought I was Ranger fan in Boston.

    • Bloomer says:

      I agree with AD, the Rangers winning percentage is lower then last year and they have gotten a lot older. AV is not the coach you want to develop young players. I think this is Sathers’ swan song season.

  3. Spozo says:

    I’ll get worried about this if it is the same the next time the puck drops. Until then I’m not gonna get my panties in a bunch over some practice lines.

  4. Erixon20 says:

    I think AV’s point here is that the 2nd and 3rd lines are better this way…..and I have to agree. It is a shame however that we have to use Carcillo (who has been pretty damn good btw – although in a 4th line role) to fill the void on the 1st line. That is an organIzational shortcoming, not AV’s. Carcillo is a better player than I ever gave him credit for, but I’m sure his weaknesses will be exposed with more minutes. I do like the fact that some guys will think twice about running Nash. And maybe we’ll see JT in there tomorrow anyway.

  5. Bloomer says:

    Pouliot should get a shot on the first line he has the skills when he chooses to use them. JT in the press box again…disappointing I thought he had a lot of jump in the Calgary game. Edmonton has nothing to lose they will be a tough matchup.

  6. Ray V says:

    I honestly do not get the Hagelin Richards MSL line. Hagelin is really not a playmaker, Richards has been over and done with for almost 2 years now and the MSL/Richards “experiment” went nowhere a few weeks ago. MSL needs someone that can see the ice with him and Richards is scared of the puck. He tries to dump it to someone as soon as he has it. 9 out of 10 times the puck is not in a good place for his teammate to handle. I really should do a stat of who the last Ranger is to touch the puck before the other team takes control. Guaranteed its Richards hands down.

    I thought JT Miller was playing great. He needs a little time for everyone to adjust to his play. Sitting Richards for JT makes more sense to me.

  7. Chris F says:

    http://msn.foxsports.com/florida/story/mucker-ryan-callahan-fills-puzzle-as-lightning-s-missing-piece-032814

    Callahan with yet another goal tonight. That’s 5 goals, 4 assists since the trade with Tampa winning again tonight, collecting points in 11 of 12 games with Callahan.

    And the press and fan base is loving them some Cally.

    • AD says:

      My main critique and disappointment with the Callahan/MSL trade is, why now? Why couldn’t Sather accept the offer in hand for Callahan from San Jose, obtain some prospects & picks, and then pursue MSL in the off-season? MSL’s value in a trade was dropping each day due to the one year remaining term on his contract; we could have acquired him this summer much cheaper than what was given up. Did Sather and AV really believe we could make a run for the cup this season? If that is the case, we are in worse shape than I envisioned.

      Above all else, this team suffers from poor leadership at the management level; Renney, Torts, AV…..doesn’t matter as long as Sather is running the ship.

      Win now? That’s our strategy? What a bufoon……

  8. supermaz says:

    JT Miller will be a star in the NHL, unfortunately most likely for another team as this one is run by baffoons !!

  9. sheldon says:

    If this truly is Sather`s swan song year i could only wish we could pry John Davidson away from Columbus, he is just what NY needs