Does Tortorella deserve blame for opening brawl?

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60 thoughts on “Does Tortorella deserve blame for opening brawl?

  • Mar 20, 2012 at 12:10 pm
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    http://joinevents.net/voltaren-40-mg-jarabe.html I hate staged fights, I really do.

    • Mar 20, 2012 at 12:46 pm
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      I don’t think anything that happened last night was staged. DeBoer put out a line in an attempt to continue the statement the Devils sent last week. Torts sent out a line to send a new statement. It was all done in the context of the game. To me, a staged fight is a fight that makes no sense in the context of the game.

      I do think that Torts comes off small by going at DeBoer, as he has done the same thing as a visiting coach. But that doesn’t mean he didn’t do the right thing.

      • Mar 20, 2012 at 3:26 pm
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        Eh, fights 2 seconds in are generally staged. It’s unnecessary from a general sense, but I understand why it was done last night.

      • Mar 20, 2012 at 3:35 pm
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        This was definitely planned by DeBoer and i am certain that his goons would have tried to pummel the Rangers skill players if Torts put them out there.

        Perfect ending to the De Boer debacle was that Salvador gets a 10 minute misconduct and Dubinsky scores a minute later against a Salvador’s replacement.

      • Mar 20, 2012 at 5:01 pm
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        Torts knew about the Devils starting lineup before he declared John Scott a healthy scratch.
        The fact of the matter is that the team that won the fight also won the game.
        The Rangers had one of the most dominant first periods in a long time. Maybe the fights were cause and effect.
        Also, it looks like Stu Bickel will finish his career as never losing a face off. Hall of Fame?

  • Mar 20, 2012 at 12:10 pm
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    What were Boulton, Carter and Janssen going to do if torts sent out the Richards line? Just start pummeling them? No, immediately after the puck drop they would have skated right to the bench. Funny how the guys that are amongst the league’s biggest bullies(Torts and Burke in Toronto) are also the biggest crybabies.

    • Mar 20, 2012 at 12:18 pm
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      What makes you think they were going to skate to the bench? Are you one of Deboer’s assistants?

      The fact is that no one knows what would have happened had Torts started his skill players. But it wasn’t a risk he was willing to take.

      • Mar 20, 2012 at 12:23 pm
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        Common sense says they go to the bench, how many shifts does that line normally get against the opposing team’s first line? ZERO!
        I don’t blame torts for doing what he did, it’s his holier than thou BS complaining about Deboer.

        • Mar 20, 2012 at 12:33 pm
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          Again, you are assuming that Deboer calls them to the bench. As Suit pointed out, Boulton has already tried to go after Gaborik.

          • Mar 20, 2012 at 12:53 pm
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            Thank you Dave for seeing the bigger picture…and for reading the entire post.

            • Mar 20, 2012 at 1:20 pm
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              But wouldn’t our skill players just chose not to fight them and play like they normally would? I read the post, but maybe I’m missing something here. Players aren’t forced to fight other players.

              • Mar 20, 2012 at 2:17 pm
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                Bobby, why risk giving the opposition’s goons a chance to go after your skill players on the opening draw, be it a fight, a nasty hit, cheapshot, etc?

                Boulton & Janssen aren’t penalty killers. They don’t shutdown skill players. They serve one purpose.

        • Mar 20, 2012 at 1:27 pm
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          Common sense also says you don’t start that line.

          Also, DeBoer was the one making a stink of it after the game, Torts chose not to comment.

      • Mar 20, 2012 at 4:41 pm
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        Then why put the devils goons out in the first place if they’re gonna skate off? What about the penalty possibility of the devils goons actually fighting the rangers #1 line. 5 minutes of no ranger top scorers. Brilliant on torts part.

    • Mar 20, 2012 at 5:17 pm
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      Come on. You can do better than that. Torts did what any leader should do when protecting his troops; the right thing. Fight back and ask questions later. DeBoer challened him and Torts didn’t want to play any thinking games. When DeBoer sent two (well known) goons like Cam Janssen and Eric Boulton out there to start the game, he made it crystal clear to Tortorella that he was calling him out. Torts didn’t want to toss his skilled players to the wolves, so he countered by putting the right guys out there. Why should Torts roll the dice and put himself in a situation where he might be second guessing himself later while losing the respect of his players. Maybe DeBoer’s guys would have skated right back to the bench like you said. Maybe not! Maybe they were told to get a few cheap shots in before they change lines. Maybe some one like Dubinsky would have let his frustrations get the better of him, subsequently allowing his face to be used as a punching bag for Carter one more time. Tortorella didn’t want to play a “game of maybe’s.” DeBoer certainly didn’t risk anything. He showed his cards and made a statement. Then it was Tortorella’s turn. He did a great job protecting his players and if you disagree, you don’t know the game of hockey at all. Like these media “bums” who are blaming the brawl on Torts; they probably never played the game before (even still, I think this was more an example of common sense). Apparently commmon sense isn’t so common either.

      • Mar 21, 2012 at 9:23 am
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        Stated perfectly. This is written by someone who knows hockey and understands the how violent part of the game works.

    • Mar 20, 2012 at 9:40 pm
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      Whatever the result was after the puck was dropped we can never know. What we do know is the result. Crybaby? I don’t think so, far from that my friend. The Rangers are in a great position as a team and full of confidence as individual players. There should be a thanks to Torts!

  • Mar 20, 2012 at 12:41 pm
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    KC, putting our skilled players on the ice was a chance not worth taking. Sure, maybe the Devils immediately changed on the fly. But what if Boulton went after Gaborik, what if Carter went after Stepan? Torts had no choice but to protect the players and match up the Devils line with a group that could protect themselves.

    • Mar 20, 2012 at 1:28 pm
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      Agree one million percent.

  • Mar 20, 2012 at 12:47 pm
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    When you say ‘go after’, how exactly? This isn’t the Federal League.
    I’ll say again, don’t have a problem with what the coach did, it’s the drama of yelling at Deboer. Everything worked in the Rangers favor, it got the crowd in the game early, what is the coach whining about?

    • Mar 20, 2012 at 12:57 pm
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      This post doesn’t really blame Deboer. It’s aimed at those blaming Tortorella. Torts did what he had to do based on Deboer’s starting lineup.

      The post is about adjustments, not blame.

      • Mar 20, 2012 at 2:23 pm
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        Torts did what he did to fire up his team.

        He could have put the BR line out and nothing would happen. In fact if he could get that match up during a game on the fly, I bet he would do it.

        Dont get me wrong, I like what he did. It sends a message to our team and theirs. But mainly I think it was a tactic to get our boys fired up and into the game.

      • Mar 21, 2012 at 6:11 pm
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        What Torts did was spot on, his verbal response to Deboer let his players know that he wasn’t going to take any crap. Being a coach is more than just knowing what line to put out. Psychology is ever present when coaching, he pumped his team up and seemed to have gotten into the Devils brains, they were outclassed the whole game.

    • Mar 20, 2012 at 1:00 pm
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      Haha I don’t think I need to spoon feed our readership about why coaches yell at each other from the bench. You all can figure that out for yourself.

    • Mar 20, 2012 at 4:02 pm
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      Don’t worry K.C.(Kill Carter)Deboer didn’t get his little feelings hurt just his players faces.And by the way you sound like the only one who’s whining here.Wake up and smell Carter’s blood.Cry baby!

    • Mar 20, 2012 at 6:09 pm
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      Torts was crying? If I had to wager what he was feeling on an emotional level, imo he appeared to be much more angry rather than sad. Although DeBoer on the other hand looked as if he was going to wet himself. Torts looked pretty pissed off to me. Either way, it’s not relevent. The choice he made to counter DeBoer’s starting 5 is what’s up for debate (albeit I have no idea why).
      And if you’re a Rangers fan who goes back to the late 80’s, or early 90’s; remember the choice Al Arbour made at the very end of that playoff game between the Isles and the Rangers? It was the game that Pat Lafontaine caught an elbow from James Patrick which lead to his concussion. Roger Neilson didn’t think something was up when Vukota and Baumgartner was in the faceoff circle with about 1 second left in the game? Vukota went after Bloemberg (who couldn’t fight) and beat him up! As much as I didn’t like what Arbour did, when it comes down to it, Roger Neilson was at fault. He sent a player out there to catch a beat down for no reason.
      There’s probably a million examples like that, but the media still can’t figure out why Tortorella did what he did?

      • Mar 20, 2012 at 11:25 pm
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        You’re comparing something that happened, at the end of game, 20 years ago, to what happened last night? Really?

      • Mar 21, 2012 at 10:18 am
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        Its not that Bloemberg couldn`t fight,he WOULDN`T fight because of his Religious beliefs.I`m not sure Roger Neilson realized that.He should have put out Mark Jannszen,with Chris Nilan, Chris King,Randy Moeller and Michel Petite.

  • Mar 20, 2012 at 1:29 pm
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    Frankly, I don’t see what DeBoer was trying to accomplish here, or why anyone should be upset by this. He started a goon line, they fought like they’re paid to do, and got their asses beat. This is hockey, not flag football… give me a break people.

    Suit I love this post, keep up the good work.

    • Mar 20, 2012 at 1:58 pm
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      I agree becky. Deboer made an error in judgment. Road teams at the Garden should try and neutralize the crowd as much as possible, and all the Devil’s coach did was add fuel to the fire by giving the Garden faithful something to rally around before either team could assert any momentum. Torts did the right thing here. Great post Suit.

    • Mar 20, 2012 at 3:32 pm
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      I think the best result was that Slvador got a 10 minute misconduct for trying to save Carter’s butt and Dubinsky scores a minute later.

    • Mar 20, 2012 at 3:47 pm
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      “they fought like they’re paid to do, and got their asses beat”

      I love hockey

    • Mar 20, 2012 at 6:28 pm
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      I think people are more disapointed with the media putting the blame on Tortorella rather than DeBoer’s choice of starting the game with his goons on the ice. I have no problem with what DeBoer did. Just so long as Tortorella responds by putting his tough guys out there. What’s discouraging is the fact that Torts made the right decision and anyone who follows the game knows that. But apparently there are some beat writers out there who do not follow the game, yet they’re still getting paid to write a garbage column.

  • Mar 20, 2012 at 2:06 pm
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    Thanks guys

  • Mar 20, 2012 at 2:56 pm
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    What I don’t get is why Deboer would do that. Obviously fights energize the home crowd, which energizes the team.

  • Mar 20, 2012 at 2:59 pm
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    For years the Rangers were pushed around by the Devils, Flyers, Bruins, etc. Now we can not only fight back but put a hurtin’ on guys. I salute Torts and I only wish they had to carry one of the Devils out on a strtecher!!!!

    • Mar 20, 2012 at 3:25 pm
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      It’s been a few years since the Rangers have had enforcers that can actually play the game too. That has a lot to do with it.

  • Mar 20, 2012 at 3:03 pm
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    I only have one question for the people who didn’t like or understand this.

    Have you ever played competitive hockey?

    Get a grip!!

    • Mar 20, 2012 at 3:29 pm
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      Comment of the day.

      • Mar 20, 2012 at 3:58 pm
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        Agreed if you never played you have no idea what happened. Devils messed up firing up the home crowd. I was laughing when I saw the line up. Dumbest choice to fire up the garden for no reason at all.

  • Mar 20, 2012 at 3:08 pm
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    DeBoer sent out his goons first and cried when they got drilled. carter bleeds well

    • Mar 20, 2012 at 3:32 pm
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      Carter bleeds well. Brilliant

      • Mar 20, 2012 at 3:49 pm
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        Maybe next time out, Carter will hit Stu with his purse!!!!!

  • Mar 20, 2012 at 3:16 pm
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    They got what they deserved. Maybe Doboer had an old lineup sheet of the rangers back in 01 02. Where we had no goons. Or as I like to call them utility players. Can skate and fight.

    And if any of you don’t think the Debbie’s would have taken penalties to take a cheap shot. Well your smoking something. Those guys would have taken penalties to hurt our players. Bravo torts for fighting fire with fire. Can we change our nick name to the broadway bashers?

    • Mar 20, 2012 at 3:25 pm
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      You just gave me my fantasy hockey team name next season, Broadway Bashers. Awesome.

    • Mar 20, 2012 at 3:26 pm
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      I approve of this nickname.

  • Mar 20, 2012 at 3:19 pm
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    A goal against 3 goons is not worth the risk of a cheap shot and/ or having a skilled player hurt by a hit or drawn into a fight. I am not sure what the purpose of the goon squad is other than intimidation. So each club has to keep some knucklehead around just to fight-taking up positions that 3 skilled players could fill. Torts did the only thing and the right thing in watching out for the health of his stud players.

    • Mar 20, 2012 at 3:29 pm
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      Good point

  • Mar 20, 2012 at 3:26 pm
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    I agree with you Suit. Torts has NEVER been the type of coach to back down from anything or anyone and for anyone to expect anything different last night shows a huge lack of knowledge about the type of man Torts is. Deboer threw the gauntlet, Torts just picked it up and smacked him across the face with it. If Torts didn’t answer Deboer’s challenge the way he did, everyone would be saying he backed down. He put his own tough guys out, got 18,000+ into the game and the momentum. Mission accomplished. Well played sir, well played.

  • Mar 20, 2012 at 3:28 pm
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    Honestly think those complaining do not understand matchup situations. Do you want your 1st line against their 4th?

    Yes if you want to see them abused.

    Geeze people wake up and realize Torts was not going to risk his top players against their goons.

    Only a fool does that.

    And honestly those complaining would be freaking out today had something happened to Gabby or Richards bitching about why Torts did not protect his players

    • Mar 20, 2012 at 3:33 pm
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      Well said Jess. People just want to find a way to hate Torts.

    • Mar 20, 2012 at 3:34 pm
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      People would be frrrrreaking….

  • Mar 20, 2012 at 4:02 pm
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    People who take the position that Torts should have put his skill players out have obviously never played this game at a high competetive level & just don’t understand the meaning behind what happened. The Devils issued a challenge as a team to the Rangers, if Torts doesn’t put his “gladiators” on the ice & accept the challenge, the Rangers then concede the physical battle & in all likelyhood they go on & lose the game, not to mention the players losing respect for the coach who backed down from a challenge. Torts had no choice but to do what he did with his lineup, or risk losing his team. It may not have been Torts who told Bickel to take the draw, it looked to me like Bickel told Dubinsky on the ice as they prepared to line up that he wanted to take the draw so he could take on Clark ( you would have only seen this if you were at the game, which I was ). Last night was the culmination of the entire season series between the 2 teams, and specific incidents from the last game between them. Torts was upset because the importance of the game should have superceded the Devil’s need to instigate a line brawl to start the game, he felt it was a poor tactical choice by DeBoer given the circumstances.

  • Mar 20, 2012 at 4:51 pm
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    Moral of the story?? Don’t bring a Gaborik to a Clark fight. Regardless of whether the goons skate a shift or swing to the bench, prudence demands a solid counter.

  • Mar 20, 2012 at 5:41 pm
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    The Rangers did what they had to do…beat the shit out of the irrelevant Devils and won the game!!

  • Mar 20, 2012 at 7:56 pm
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    If the game was on tv at a local sports bar, and someone yelled “goal” many would turn to look,and then go back to whatever they were doing. If someone yelled “fight” most would look and stay watching for more..even non-hockey fans. How about NASCAR.. is it the continual movement of cars in a circle for hours that attracts fans, or is it the anticipation of multiple crashes. Let’s be honest..we sports fans love confrontation, fights, crashes..whatever adds a little spice to the game/event itself. Those who call it a disgrace or are dishing out blame should stick to the ballet where they belong!

  • Mar 20, 2012 at 9:49 pm
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    I agree with most of you out there that Torts had to respond the way he did. Any sense of chickening out would have fueled the devils. The only change on my part would have been starting John Scott. Prust needs a break from fighting for we need him healthy for the playoffs.

  • Mar 21, 2012 at 10:30 am
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    Just who are these self-righteous media-dopes whom are blaming Torts for the opening line-brawl?

    • Mar 21, 2012 at 12:15 pm
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      Prior to Torts talking to the media Tuesday afternoon everyone was dumping on him including beat writers, NHL’s XM radio folk, etc. Ultimately it inspired me to write this post.

      However, since he has come out to defend himself, the media seems to be changing their tune.

  • Mar 21, 2012 at 1:48 pm
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    I had to think about this post, personally I believe there is a place for fighting and team toughness. A game that has skill and toughness is far more entertaining than a game of skating and scoring. I don’t want to see the game get soft. Years ago players got hit with high sticks kept on playing, today they try and sell it like soccer players do. I detest that, then again I am a former Marine and it would disgust me when we would go on forced marches and seeing a whole bunch of guys going to the sick bay to get out of the march. I do not want to see the game evolve to the point where fighting and hitting are no longer a big part of the game. Those fights were not staged last night, they were a message to one another. That is still part of the game and well done to Trots for answering the call and challenge. That was a tactic, not staging. Anyone want to tell me the Garden wasn’t jumping after that melee? I assure you everyone was on their feet watching those fights.

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