Radical Stat Proposal: The Own-Goal

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follow url. By V. Rhobar. Indiana University of Pennsylvania. 2018. The NHL will probably never adopt the own-goal statistic, but I think that it makes a ton of sense.  From a defensemen’s standpoint they are an isolated incident.  As long as they fall within an average statistical range, they can be dismissed as bad luck.  For the goalie, it can be the difference between a good season and a Vezina season.  As the statistical evaluation models become more advanced and we start to quantify more minutia that happens on the ice, I still hold out some hope we could employ this type of stat to understand that line that blurs skill and luck.

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      The determination of serum sulfapyridine levels may be useful since large single doses of sulfasalazine. Doses of ginseng cost in india tablets of 16 g per From the logistical standpoint, since goals are a finite event, it is easier for a stats keeper to isolate and identify the instances in which an own-goal were to occur. It would be a daunting task to say the least if the stats keeper had to go through film of every game and remove a shot on goal every time a goalie made a save on a puck that deflected off one on his own players.

      Want to save on your next purchase from source link? Then check out these coupons, promo codes and sales from Groupon Coupons! From a philosophical standpoint, the goalie would indeed be having an inflation of his save %. Although I would argue it is not an “artificial” inflation. As a goalie I can tell you that when a puck deflects off a teammate, it 1.) catches you completely by surprise and 2.) changes direction way too fast for a human being to fully react to it. Most saves in these situations are made by good positioning, instinctive movements and to a certain extent, luck. Many of these types of shots do not change direction all that much, and your positioning for the original shot is sufficient to handle the change in direction. It’s the ones that take extreme angular or height changes that usually end up in the back of the net. So the point of all that was if you remove saves based on deflections off teammates, the presumably dominant percentage of which changed direction minimally and basically acted almost as the original shot would, it would be less fair than not punishing goalies for extreme angular changes, many of which took place less than 6 inches from the goal line.

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  • Feb 7, 2012 at 9:42 am
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    order cardura drug nah…no need…because there are a ton of blocked shots by defenders..as well…we could say so in theory we could say 1 out of 20 shots blocked could have found the back of the net, or all 20 shots could have gone in. A goal is a goal.

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      http://www.mercymotors.com/generic-levitra-cheap.html I don’t have the statistical data in front of me at the moment, so I’m going to base this on experience. Most blocked shots come from the perimeter of the ice. Very rarely are shots actually blocked in the “danger area” of the ice. They are often deflected, but from a responsibility standpoint, the defensemen shouldn’t have left that player in a position to take a shot from that area to begin with.

      ‘Cmon leather, even in all your old-schoolness, you really think Hank should be held responsible when the puck is shot wide and it hits a shin pad in front?

  • Feb 7, 2012 at 9:46 am
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    Conversely, if someone other than the goalie makes a save that is a shot on goal, who gets the stat? Ryan McDonaugh during the Winter Classic for instance.

    • Feb 7, 2012 at 10:11 am
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      Bob, the NHL scores those plays as a blocked shot, not a shot on goal. In my proposal, that system would remain unchanged.

  • Feb 7, 2012 at 11:18 am
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    I still want a quality shot save percentage 🙂

  • Feb 7, 2012 at 11:47 am
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    Justin from your goalie perspective, if the hyopthetical defenseman is tying up a guy in front of the net and the puck goes a couple inches the other direction and deflects off the offensive player instead of the D, is there a difference?

    Does it make a difference whether the puck was deflected on a shot vs say a deflected pass?

    • Feb 7, 2012 at 11:58 am
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      You make a good point. In that case the statistics take care of themselves. If the puck goes in off the offensive player either the goal will be waived off if he did it unfairly, or it will be that player’s goal.

      Philosophically, it’s a little more complicated and thats your point. From an evaluation perspective it shows us just as little as the own-goal version of the play, but that’s one of the small flaws with requiring a finite way to measure it.

      I take it your second question is assuming the puck still goes off the defenseman. In that case, no it doesn’t matter, it’s simply a puck that is not shot on goal that finds its way there via the defensive player.

  • Feb 7, 2012 at 12:00 pm
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    Anyone have any thoughts on making the own-goal a subjective standard for the scorekeeper? Maybe he must find some fault in the defensive player’s conduct to justify the call?

    • Feb 7, 2012 at 4:29 pm
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      How about, if a goal results from a play that otherwise would not be counted as a shot on goal if the defensive player had not interfered, count it as an own-goal. e.g. a pass across the top of the crease deflected by D’s skate

      The scorer is already subjectively determining what is/is not a shot so this wouldn’t be a stretch from the current setup.

      So an attempted shot going wide before the defensive player deflects it would not have resulted in a shot on goal and counts as an own-goal. A puck shot from behind the goal line into a bunch of legs that would otherwise have passed right through and out the other side, same story.

      think Suit’s Quality of Shot metric would be more useful. can’t prove it but guessing having a solid D that keeps all shots to the far perimeter has swayed more Vezina votes with inflated goalie stats than the statistical impact of own-goals.

      • Feb 7, 2012 at 6:47 pm
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        I could definitely get behind that proposal…

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